TERRORISM - Can it be eliminated? If so, how? What is your plan?

In order to answer the question, I first need to define what terrorism is according to me. It is an act of violence intended to both inflict fear in a group of people and get a specific message heard. That being the case, the Boston Tea Party was just as much an act of terrorism as 9/11 was--the most important difference being the loss of innocent lives on 9/11.

What do we then do to stop terrorism from happening?

We stop the need for it. Terrorists don't use terrorism as a first response. At no point in time did someone read the newspaper, get mad about an issue he/she just learned about for the first time, and decide to nuke a city in response. Terrorism is a last resort, something people do when they can find no other way to be heard. Terrorism comes out of anguish, turmoil, and devestation.

To stop terrorism, then, ...

--We need to teach parents like those of the students who did the Columbine shootings to look for the signs of disturbed teens and to get them help.

--We need to acknowledge that the Israel/Palestine situation is horrible and that talking isn't enough. Reparations need to be made, counselling needs to be inacted, healing needs to be nurtured, and education about cultural differences and acceptance needs to happen.

--We need to wean our children away from the selfish, immediate-gratification, anti-social worlds of television and video games. We now have several generations of people who barely know how to communicate because communication has become unnecessary when all we need to do is push buttons to exist. Every person who is living such a life is a person who is not helping in terrorism, war, injustice, and strife.

--We need to stop pretending the American way is the only way and acknowledge that we're just as big of f-ups as the rest of the world. We're full of gluttony and greed, egocentricism and Nihilism, yet Americans are affronted when people in other countries act the same way.

--We need to learn to listen to people. Truly listen. We need to know why the IRA continues to fight and why the Una Bomber, well, bombed. We need to listen not to prove them wrong, but to find solutions for the problem and for their pain. We need to listen in order to know how to listen to the next person before he/she becomes a terrorist.

--We need to start within ourselves. How many people's ideas have you felt like annihilating today? None? Really? Don't you want cannibalism to end? Racism? Genocide? Remember, the people who commit acts of terrorism have an injustice that they want to end, too. I'm not saying terrorism is ever right, but I am saying that we need to understand it before we can, well, annihilate it.

Kim Edwards

Thank You

Stephanie, thank you; your words are helpful to understanding your POV, demonstrating you are a good person with a good mind.

Martín Rizzi

I don't even get the whole using Marines to blame Bush comment.

Who is using marines to blame Bush and for what?

Most of the people talking on here have a better grip on the chronology of this whole war than I do.

Can someone refresh my memory, how many days were we from a U.N. decision on how to approach Iraq's bluff on WMD?

Does anyone want to fess up if they believed that Iraq really had WMDs in the first place? I knew they didn't if you want to know why.

Marc Roth

Wounded Warriors

I agree. I am just very protective of our marines. I understand everything you say and my head tells me you are 100% right. My heart on the other hand breaks for my boys. The fact of the matter is, these wounded men and women are the kids that grew up next door to you and me. They need help and I am here to try and accomplish that by any means possible.

Welcome to O-net

Hi Stephanie. Welcome to O-net. I like what you're trying to do to create a home for our wounded warriors.

However, with all respect for your service, Saddam had no nuclear program. He had no weapons of mass destruction. He was fully cooperating with Inspectors at the time the U.S. decided to make war. The inspectors were forced to leave to avoid being bombed by the U.S. These are all indisputable, historical facts.

Bush lied to start the war for reasons we'll probably never know unless, of course, the motive was simply more profit for Haliburton and the oil companies. But I suspect it's more complex than that.

I'm not saying Saddam wasn't a brutal dictator. I would, however, say that the Iraqis were better off under Saddam than they are now. In fact, 600,000 Iraqis would be alive now, instead of dead, had the U.S. not gone to war with Iraq.

In my opinion, our wounded warriors are all victims of the neocons' lies and deceit, and the more fully it's understood how terribly and unconscionably these soldier's loyalty to our country was abused in the Iraq mission, the sooner they can help bring the criminal neocons to justice and, I would hope, further their healing process through that endeavor.

Marcus B.

"traditional American pride"

Traditional American Pride is dying of a sick cancer.

Unions that once brought cleanliness and safety to jobs out grew themselves and became greedy petri dishes for inflated pay rates, and laziness.

Banks are spoiling us using a backwards IQ test called a credit score, which is creating a jealous rage in our consumers such that we have to work to pay off our debt, because it’s growing so rapidly.

As a means to an end good ole American logic says take a few shortcuts here, cheat there, stab that guy in the back and get ahead.

Traditional American Pride - started with a good hard day’s work that is very hard to find today.

Marc Roth

"Support" needs to be real and tangible, not just declared

I think it's the lack of tangible support that is the problem. If the veterans had a nickel for every person who has a "Support Our Troops" magnetic ribbon on the back of their car, they'd be able to afford better treatment and healthier places to live and heal. (Okay, maybe more than a nickel, but you get the idea-- the "Support" needs to be real and tangible, not just declared).

The government is not currently funding care for veterans adequately, so I don't think it's enough for people to just be taxpayers to say they support the troops (just my opinion).

Marc Roth said:

In fact I think the sentiment carried across all party lines is that we support our troops even if we don't support the war. This may be a valuable lesson that has carried forward from Vietnam, but at any rate I don't see anyone hardening against our men and women in uniform.

Marcus B.

WOUNDED WARRIORS SUPPORT OMIDYAR GROUP PROPOSED

I'd like to follow up Stephanie's project with a new group here on Omidyar specifically for exploring creative way to help wounded warriors.

Please visit the New Groups section (Groups Tab, sub-tab: New Groups) and co-sponsor this new group to help get it started. It'll take five additional new group sponsors to get this going.

The issue of terrorism is too big to solve with one kind of activity-- I think we have to break it down into specifics and deal with those specifics in order to be more effective.

I think I get now where Stephanie was coming from about people using Marines to Bush-bash (paraphrased). If we harden our hearts against veterans because of the perception that they voluntary supported the illegal war in Iraq, then we are, in effect, punishing them for Bush's crimes, and that's cruel and unfair.

So, what can Omidyar.net do for/with veterans to make good things (or at least better things) happen?

Marcus B.

Al-Qaeda already here

Until about a year ago, IDF Intelligence estimated that "Israel was not being targeted by al-Qaeda". Since these estimates were made public, reality has hit Israeli intelligence in the face. The global arena vis-à-vis Israel turned out to be rife with activity and al-Qaeda recently announced that Israel is one of their primary targets.

http://www.ict.org.il/apage/3491.php

Bin Laden's Declaration of War

"By God's grace," bin Laden says on the tape, "we have formed with many other Islamic groups and organizations in the Islamic world a front called the International Islamic Front to do jihad against the crusaders and Jews."

"And by God's grace," he says at another point in the tape, "the men ... are going to have a successful result in killing Americans and getting rid of them."

CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen, who interviewed bin Laden a year earlier, believes the tape depicts a key moment for al Qaeda.

"They're going public," Bergen said. "They're saying, 'We're having this war against the United States.'"

CNN.com - Previously unseen tape shows bin Laden's declaration of war

Consequence of Poverty

I agree that terrorism is in no way a consequence of poverty. The individuals I was referring to are far from poor.

They feel they are justified in causing terror and destroying their neighborhoods. They blame this type of behavior on poverty.

Killing of Americans, both civilian and military

The following link has a statement from Osama bin Laden and his associates purports to be a religious ruling (fatwa) requiring the killing of Americans, both civilian and military. This document is part of the evidence that links the bin Laden network to the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

The US had a task force of FBI agents dedicated to investigating Osama bin Laden

The US had a task force of FBI agents dedicated to investigating Osama bin Laden. For years they warned us he was going to attack America. Their reports were ignored.

10 years before 9/11 Bin made declaration of war against America and Saudi. He had been thrown out of Saudi. He took refuge in Sudan. He then hand picked Saudi's for 9/11. He wanted the Americans to think Saudi's had done it. He wanted us to go to war with Saudi. Killing two birds with one stone. It is about hate.

We knew he would attack us one day. We just did not know when or where.

UNDERSTANDING

Marcus B. said:

Hi Tom, many of are still waiting for a complete investigation of 9/11, which, as yet, has not been done in order to find out who, exactly, "they" are.

It is interesting that the Bush administration has done everything it could to resist, forestall, white-wash and minimize 9/11 investigation.

Since our freedoms are, essentially, derived from our constitution, I also find it interesting that the greatest threats to our freedoms are the PATRIOT act and the MILITARY COMMISSIONS act, in terms of eroding constitutionally guaranteed rights. We know exactly who pushed those acts through Congress.

What if Bush revealed the correct motivation for 9/11 (They hate our freedom), but misidentified the perpetraitors?

Tom Braddock said:

We need to start with UNDERSTANDING why they decided to to take this course of action. What is it that we are doing as a nation that has them so riled up against us?

Answering the question, "WHY do they hate us so much that they would take this course of action (9/11)?", would be the best thing we could do as a nation. We need to check OURSELVES, before we wreck ourselves.

Absolutely. The "They hate our freedoms" canard is total BS. If you want to know why they hate us, read their statements. I recently bought a translations of all of Bin Laden's public statements and have read some of them. He says absolutely not one word about "our freedoms". By contrast, he has one hell of a lot to say about our policies. I'm not saying we should retract every foreign policy we have, but we should consider how we can secure our country and our interests without totally pissing off the entire Muslim world.

Sheldon Greaves

Kennedy was absolutely excoriated by the press for not going to war

Jeff Mowatt said:

Last night here in England on the primary BBC channel, they screened '13 days' an account of the Cuba crisis starring Kevin Costner. How much resemblance it bore to actual events , I'm not in a position to judge, but it painted a terrifying picture of the Kennedys trying to hold back the hawks who were itching to escalate to a full scale conflict.

Seeding thought perhaps, that GW might be sitting in the place of JFK and could be found wanting when it came to the crunch?

Glad you brought this up. What isn't generally remembered is that following the crisis, Kennedy was absolutely excoriated by the press for not going to war over this. Now considering that most of our naval assets were at various times being tracked by a Soviet sub armed with a nuclear torpedo that could have taken out entire squadrons, plus the whole nuclear missile thing... whatever you think of Kennedy, he earned his pay during those two weeks.

Sheldon Greaves

Psychology of poor people

By Martín Rizzi


Other people are like you; they do not want to harm anybody.


Terrorism is synthetic violence; terrorism is focused fear


for the purpose of forcing people to change and to accept


conditions of globalization. I simply do not see evidence


that terrorism flows out from the psychology of poor people


thus IMO it were futile to address the scourge of terrorism


by speculation what motives or justifications poor people


might have to commit terrorism ?¿ IMO terror is NOT coming


from the poor people at all, it is authored by rich people,


police and intelligence agencies, mafias, and covert players


of dirty power games for the purposes of money, drugs, and power.


That terrorism is an exponent of a popular condition, i seriously doubt.

Accepting people's differences

Both of you make some very good points. I have never understood the whole concept of killing in the name of the lord.

I fear that if we all think and act exactly the same, life would become boring. I believe our differences are what make life interesting. Personally I have never wanted to harm anybody because of their POV. The only way I could hurt anybody would be in self defense.

Words have never hurt me, but people do.

Terrosism - Can it be eliminated? If so, how? What is your plan?

Munnu Morrish said:

Terrosism is human and terrorism on the globe is based on religious lines.I think lets have asingle religion and see what would be the outcome.

I agree; a single religion for humanity would be ideal.

Terror is, i believe, based on religious lines because

the British Empire's Great Game and War of Civilizations

Thee is certainly no natural contradiction between Islam

and Mosaic Christianity. The three are continuous, all

of these religious furthered the One God idea that Moses

got from the priest scientists at Egypt's Temple of Ammon.

To this, we get into what? Dictatorships? Tyrrany? Oppression? Annihilation of those who won't convert? Been there, done that. One time, we called it the Holocaust. Another time we called it the Inquisition.

And since a single religion is best, maybe we also need a single race, culture, economic status, and eduction level. Of course, we'll need to burn books and forcibly take people's money away from them, but it'll be for the greater good--like it was in Russia, right? That surely worked out for the best.

Forcing people to assimilate is not the answer. Accepting people's differences is.

Kim Edwards

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